DUST Search - Skill Tree Respec Feature +'s & -'s

Vsor wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Vsor wrote:

I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts.

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4. Do not underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden (in both Eve and Dust). You will be surprised and amazed at what this community can do already.

Just because something is claimed to not have an exploit it doesn't mean the exploiters will stop exploiting. If there is a loophole, those players will figure it out. Case in point, the exploit in Eve regarding Faction Warfare LP and wrecks caught CCP completely by surprise because the exploiter gamed the system via a strategic manipulation of the market's moving average of a supposedly "useless" item that was worth only 1 ISK per unit.

NINJA EDIT:

In Dust, you can have infinite accounts because they are free. In Eve, the number of accounts is limited by the size of your wallet.

You make some good points, but none of them are contrary to what I said. The exploit right now is that you can spam PS3 accounts to have more weapon diversity, respecs would make that near pointless.


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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2241	Posted - 2013.05.10 15:35:00 - [1] - Quote I will never support Respec-for-Sale. Not in Eve and certainly not in Dust. I would say allow one more respec on the 14th of this month given the mistakes CCP made with some of the skill books (especially for vehicle users), but beyond that I don't ever want to see a Respec-For-Sale anywhere near anything that is attached to New Eden. Dust may be a different game from Eve Online, but it will always be operating under the same rules of New Eden that have remained unchanged since 2003.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2242	Posted - 2013.05.10 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote Vsor wrote: I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=700867#post700867 Quote: 4. Do not underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden (in both Eve and Dust). You will be surprised and amazed at what this community can do already. Just because something is claimed to not have an exploit it doesn't mean the exploiters will stop exploiting. If there is a loophole, those players will figure it out. Case in point, the exploit in Eve regarding Faction Warfare LP and wrecks caught CCP completely by surprise because the exploiter gamed the system via a strategic manipulation of the market's moving average of a supposedly "useless" item that was worth only 1 ISK per unit.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2243	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:16:00 - [3] - Quote Vsor wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Vsor wrote: I would support respecs, either for sale or annually. You can't respec in eve because it would break the game, and you could abuse it. I can't really think of any way it could be used in dust to give an unfair advantage. Also in eve online you don't need to respec because you can have multiple accounts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=700867#post700867 Quote: 4. Do not underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden (in both Eve and Dust). You will be surprised and amazed at what this community can do already. Just because something is claimed to not have an exploit it doesn't mean the exploiters will stop exploiting. If there is a loophole, those players will figure it out. Case in point, the exploit in Eve regarding Faction Warfare LP and wrecks caught CCP completely by surprise because the exploiter gamed the system via a strategic manipulation of the market's moving average of a supposedly "useless" item that was worth only 1 ISK per unit. NINJA EDIT: In Dust, you can have infinite accounts because they are free. In Eve, the number of accounts is limited by the size of your wallet. You make some good points, but none of them are contrary to what I said. The exploit right now is that you can spam PS3 accounts to have more weapon diversity, respecs would make that near pointless. But the overall problem will always be that SP will be devalued and become nothing more than a game of shuffling numbers. You are suppose to live with your mistakes if you improperly placed your SP into something that didn't benefit you. Just like real-life, your mistakes are never erased and become constant reminders of what NOT to do next time. This is what we call the "Adapt-or-Die" concept in New Eden. Again, I will only support one more free respec courtesy of CCP due to the issues that came up with improperly-described skill books (ie: you paid for an orange but got an apple instead) for vehicle owners. Beyond that, screw it. Live with your mistakes like everyone else.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2244	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:25:00 - [4] - Quote Vsor wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: But the overall problem will always be that SP will be devalued and become nothing more than a game of shuffling numbers. This is not true if it either costs AUR or is annual. Being unable to change you skills does nothing to support "adapt or die". It does support adapt or die. I accidentally placed my SP into Gallente Scouts when I intended for Minmatar Scout (I'm not kidding, this actually happened... stupid me) and now I'm forcing myself to learn how to fully utilize the Gallente Suit to get close enough to stab someone in the back.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2244	Posted - 2013.05.10 16:49:00 - [5] - Quote Vsor wrote: I think you missed my point. Being able to reevaluate what is a good idea for you and changing yourself to address it is adaption at its best. I did not miss your point. Your point is all too-clear to me and I don't like what it brings to the game as a whole. Like Kain pointed out, it will only benefit the veterans even more when they have more than 20 million SP. The Respec-for-Sale system is just too imbalanced to implement. I cannot stressed this enough. I will never EVER accept any situation in which a Respec is paid for. End of story.